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almostnospecifics's avatar

I absolutely applaud this. In looking at this less from the academic impact perspective and more from the societal impact perspective but having contributed to Oxford's thinking around embedding engagement and impact into recruitment and progression criteria, the one thing I would say is that meaningful assessment of impact is hard - not because it is beyond us in principle but exactly because it's just not incentivised, and requires more than just looking at the easily gotten metrics. Why spend time actually trying to capture and understand whether anything you've done has made a difference (yourself or buying in the support) when it's not the thing that will get you or keep your job? Obviously in the UK we have REF but that incentivised the institution, not the individual really, and I can already hear the groans about the disproportionate effort putting together a solid impact case study can take...

Michael D. Green, PhD's avatar

Appreciate this essay! As someone figuring out what I’m going to do with my life after my postdoc, it’s pretty clear to me that counting pubs is not going to be useful going forward. That incentive structure has overwhelmed the desks of reviewers/editors everywhere as well.

Sadly, I’m not sure how many places are making real efforts to create new incentives that are legible to candidates and people up for promotion. Time will tell what schools land on a new system that takes us away from the path we are heading down…

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